Thursday, March 05, 2009

In like a lion...random thoughts on returning mercenaries

There is no honor in this war, there should be no pensions rewarded for doing this or Victorian Crosses...
Shame, nothing but deep, indelible shame everlasting...

Vietnamese killed 3000000
Americans killed 58000
52 Vietnamese killed for every American

Population of Vietnam in 1966 38 million. Approximate number of injuries of the population 21-24 million over the course of the war.
Vietnam is the size of Arizona
6.5 million tons of bombs were dropped on Vietnam
25 million acres of forest destroyed
10,000 hamlets destroyed
11.2 million gallons of Agent orange
400,000 tons of napalm
15 million refugees
For every Vietnamese death Americans dropped over 2 pounds of bombs.
After the war unexploded munitions remained. Dioxin remained.. herbicides remained.
This was not in any way mutual destruction. This was not a fair fight. This was was definitely not a defeat for America it was instead an unqualified success. A most successful genocide, eclipsed only by Germany in WW2. Just killing mostly primitive people in their bamboo homes and burning town after town after town. Done from the safety of the air by sparky high-heeled American boys named McCain who joined to win the love and respect of his father and grandfather and to impress the girls...and this was while only one in 4 thought it was horrid. Four dead in Ohio.

“While claiming to be the champion of freedom and self-determination, the
United States waged a brutal and bloody war on the people of a small country,
both ally and enemy alike, to warn them of the perils of self-determination,
be it nationalist or socialist. Rather than allow the Vietnamese to choose their
own political system, government and social organization, the United States
tried to violently force its preferred system on a people who were not receptive
to it.”

The preceding paragraph along with statistics was published on Monday, April 17, 2000 in Commondreams:
“25 Years After End Of Vietnam War:
Myths Keep Us From Coming To Terms
With Vietnam"
by Bob Buzzanco

sounds dreadfully familiar...there is no honor or glory in this...Join to stop the madness Vietnam Vets Against War.

"The "support the troops" symbolism also comes with a hidden agenda, a subtext that is about the anti-war movement. Understandably, the war brings a lot of emotion to the surface and some of that feeling stems from frustration with the economy, a sense of helplessness in the face of large-scale social and technological change, and fear that cherished American values are being lost. For some people, the real war is the war at home and the enemy coalition comes bundled for them in the anti-war movement. The redirection of their legitimate anger about the deteriorating quality of life in America onto peace activists is shortsighted scapegoating that won't solve problems." -Jerry Lembcke

michael jordan

"Many tellers of (abuse) tales identify the culprits as girls, a curious quality to the stories that gives away their gendered subtext...emerging a decade after the troops had come home from Vietnam are similar enough to the legends of defeated German soldiers defiled by women upon their return from World War I, and the rejection from women felt by French soldiers when they returned from their lost war in Indochina, to suggest something universal and troubling at work in their making...just fantasies conjured in the imaginations of aging veterans."-Jerry Lembke

michael jordan

dnoll: One thing never changes. Anyone who says that we were not treated with respect and honor when we returned from Viet Nam wasn't there to begin with. I find that generally they reveal themselves to be Republican draft dodgers like Dick Cheney and George Bush who were not getting any sex at all because they were cowards who cried and whined their way out of mandatory service. We were drafted and taken away from our families and they knew the rotten deal that we had received. It was only the draft dodging Republicans who made up this story you peddle to pad the lies about their real cowardice in the face of the draft. They are chickens and you sir "djnoll" are a yellow bellied coward who never served and is lying through his teeth in this blog.

I and everyone who I ever met after returning was treated with respect and dignity. More than we deserved actually. We had the choicest wine, women, and song. We hitched anywhere we wanted and were loved and honored for having returned alive. Every woman wanted to have sex with us and give us the greatest love they had. The hippies were especially nice and they gave us home grown pot and Owsley acid. There was great pot coming from Southeast Asia and guys were filling their seabags with it and bringing them to New York in the Brooklyn Navy Yard where I was being processed for separation. Woodstock Summer 1969 was all peace and love and New York City opened up the city for us.

The CIA hadn't yet released aids to the general population although they were very busy trying to perfect it because there was so much sex in 1969 with the free love movement they feared that if they did not give everyone a disease when they had sex, make pot and acid illegal that Richard Nixon might lose the 1972 election. The religious morons were even starting to take off their magic underwear. They made recreational drugs illegal and they started taking the returning veterans and busting them for pot and acid and jailed them intentionally giving them jail records so that we couldn't find jobs.

In everyday society if you were not a long haired hippy you were considered brain dead. Only stiff Republican matronly women like Lynne Cheney, Laura Bush, and Hillary Clinton were available for partners. And they made you marry them first! I pity you "djnoll", you got nothing for being a coward and you have been trying to enter hip society ever since and you can't do it because you wear your shame on your face and you can't wash it off, --you chickened out. In 1969, the only people who didn't get favored by the girls were miserable poor little shamed Republicans. Having no war stories to tell they started telling this lie you are telling now.

The returnees today are mercenaries who chose to kill because they couldn't find a job. They were not lied to. They knew they were going to Kill Arab civilians and they were going to get well paid for it. I made 98 dollars a month in the US Navy and went all they way to 156 dollars a month when I made E-4. These miserable Iraq Afghan "vet" types were very well paid while they gleely killed civilians. They need to be separated from society to some sort of Devil's Island and until this happens they deserve the Lysistrata treatment (shunning) from women. And you can go there too "djnoll" for doing your George Bush Pom Pom Andover cheerleading bit here in this respectful blog. We actual Veterans do not countenance your stinking lie and wish you would start telling the truth about how you are still yellow. We VETERANS are really fed up with you and your chicken Republican buddies.

The only real hero in the Iraq/Afghanistan war was and is John Walker Lindh. Get it right kiddo no one was ever spat upon upon returning from Viet Nam. -It- -just- -didn't- -happen-. You are lying, lying, lying. It never happened. Go to a Republican site where liars are always welcome.

michael jordan

"O Lord our Father,
our young patriots,
idols of our hearts,
go forth to battle -- be Thou near them!

With them -- in spirit --
we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe.

O Lord our God,
help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells;
help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain;

help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire;
help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst,

sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter,
broken in spirit, worn with travail,
imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it

-- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes,
blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps,

water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!
We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

The War Prayer --Mark Twain

It is time to read Mark Twain again. This poem was never published due to a rejection from a war loving editor. We have moved forward some since that time. No turning back from the promise of true egalitarian society. Do your part and end the war by not supporting it in either word or deed or sympathy for those who lack the courage to resist it. Keep pushing back again and again and again.

michael jordan

Lance Corporal said it all when he said "civilian life is tough". Especially so if you happen to be a targeted civilian being targeted by Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry. But making the adjustments necessary for being a responsible citizen is what we require of citizens. Life IS hard and you have to do it the right way. Taking the easy way out by grabbing a gun and killing the innocent is the lowest form of adjustment that a human being can make. It damns the soul eternally, so I have been told as I wait for my judgment on my participation in the 1967 Six Day War. Take the counsel of one who has been there and give these happy Army fools no more of your precious life. Dementors, the lot of them content to suck the life from you and your children -all for want of creativity.

michael jordan

You and Rick and the rest of the republican trolls might want to re-enlist but don't expect any of my money or treasure when and if you return. Only the dead have seen the end of the war. I find that paid killers are thoroughly disgusting no matter who they work for. You cannot bomb your way to peace. I would not hire a killer and neither of you should hire yourselves out to kill with your toxic rhetoric. Wake UP!!!!!!!!!!!

The previous administration made up an excuse for killing for oil and you support that when you do not speak out against it. The 911 bombers were Saudi. There were no WMD. It was just another bad Republican joke and it was on you and all of those who support the war. Saddam told the truth. Scott Ritter told the truth. Hans Blick told the truth. Rumsfeld lied. Powell lied. Bush lied. Millions died. Making you happy to be a Newt Gingrich clone. How proud you must be. Nearly human I would suggest...

michael jordan

You need to get out more and read a book. Fully 70% of us Americans are putridly sick of the military killers who call themselves peacemakers and wear the American flag on their arm. I can walk for days and not find a single American who is happy about the death that the lies of the Bush Administration brought about. But we are really mad at American boys and girls who shame us by not standing up to those lies and instead enlisted in an all volunteer army so they could go abroad and kill. No, we are horrified at that.

During the Civil War we were horrified at their great grandfathers who thought they could enslave Blacks. We are not in any way proud of military killers. The stain of blood of these military killers will never wash out. It continues instead to embarrass and shame. Abu Ghriab, and the carpet bombings of Faluja stand out as monumental war crimes right alongside the Israeli attacks on Gaza and Lebanon. The American Army is just as disgusting as the Israeli Army. And this comes from one who was in the Six Day War of 1967. If you think the American Army is doing the work of Americans then you might leave for Iraq and stay there. No slack for murderers even if they once played quarterback on your high school football team. Be a man and stand up to war and the senseless slaughter of the innocent civilians of Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, etc.etc.etc. Don't throw your life away just because you are having trouble figuring out what to do with yourself. Be a MAN. Climb out of that cave struggle toward the light.

michael jordan


Ayn Rand, wow! It's like hearing Charlton Heston braying from the grave. Ah! To return to yesteryear with the metallic rutting of Hank Reardon and Dagney Taggart on a speed date. What deathless prose. Did you read the Reader's Digest condensation or did you plod through the paperback original? Now that I think of it there was a Cliff's Notes version or was it Classics Comics? I haven't had a thrill like that since my first Jeffery Archer, "Cain and Abel". Good fiction style for a quick read on the shuttle flight but this is not the kind of thing you want to base your life view upon unless you plan to assist Rush Limbaugh in his increasing senility. He will love you for being able to quote these line by line so maybe you are on to something. You appear to be a nit in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is a really progressive and liberal blog. People like you who read Rand generally hang out at GOP places. You are just needlessly muddying the waters here and should probably move on.

michael jordan

These soldiers are never too bright to begin with, in fact they are in the 55-75 IQ range as set by the continually lowered recruiting standards of the US and British governments. Normal IQ is 100 and people like Biden and Obama are in the 130 to 160 range. In another era they would have been placed in a bag with rocks and thrown over the side of the boat. But because we have wars which are fought by immigrants officered by white southern trash educated in "Military Schools" we have a problem. These are exceedingly stupid and desperate humans who are taught to muscle up and kill, kill, kill and NEVER to ask questions of their leaders or (God forbid) themselves.

Look at the Israelis who kill Palestinians at the rates of 150 to 200 to one after their two year indoctrination into the Israeli Army and you may see in their faces the sadly impaired genetic mistakes who will never be dentists or doctors or investment bankers or the makers of atomic bombs like Oppenheimer or theorist Einstein but who were sent instead by their US parents to Israel to defend the Israeli Zone of occupied Palestine. The truly evil in the world do kill their young and simple in this way.

The peaceful and intelligent will continually be threatened and betrayed by the mentally lame who are always ready to go for the bait of proving themselves even if it means placing themselves and their countrymen into harms way so through their "heroic sacrifice" they will be able to grasp something that could only be achieved by proper special education and disabled care and treatment at an early age. Of course it is easier for elites to offer them up for cannon fodder rather than to provide a proper therapeutic environment when they are young and able to be treated. Instead they go to "war" and come back ready and armed and trained to play "DOOM" in real life in their homeland with liberals as the targets. As Reverend Wright said, "God Damn America" and the racist rednecks who run it from the NY corporate suites of the elites and their barbecues in Texas and Kennebunkport, and Antigua.

michael jordan

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